Now that just warms my atheist heart

[aprilstarchild]

Story Here!

There was a campaign on buses in England, paid for by a Humanist group, that just says: "There's probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Christian groups predictably threw a hissy fit.

Comments

[aprilstarchild.livejournal.com]

Jen, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

This discussion isn't about your issues with whether or not you feel smarter than other people.

If I've decided I don't necessarily want to be a uniter, and I've stated that clearly, more than once, why do you keep trying to convince me otherwise?

Why are you still posting to this thread? Do you think *you're* accomplishing anything?

I'm finding it really hard not to be rude to you, Jen. I didn't ask, in any part of this discussion, for a lecture on how I should treat religious people.

Don't like how atheists talk about things? Fine. Don't talk to them.

[jenhowell.livejournal.com]

April - again, I'm sorry if I've offended you. If I'd known to what extent you were bothered by this, I wouldn't have posted here again. I was intending to reply to Zoe here, but may have accidentally addressed the comment to you. I'll take this as a cue to stay off of here.

But I really hope that we can talk about why this is upsetting both of us in person or in another format when you're ready.

Love,
Jen

[aprilstarchild.livejournal.com]

It's upsetting to me because you have *repeatedly* lectured me, or talked *at* me instead of *to* me.

You openly admit you haven't read either The End of Faith or The God Delusion, and you base your opinions solely on one interview in The Sun, and the image I posted. I would LOVE to loan you The God Delusion. Truly. Richard Dawkins is an excellent author and wonderful at explaining things better than I ever could.

I have, in the past, proven myself perfectly capable of talking to religious people and people I disagree with, in a sane and compassionate manner. I have learned the hard way not to rise to the bait on discussions about veganism, for example. So believe it or not, I am capable of it.

But the way you have spoken to me, over and over, in this discussion, has infuriated me. It has been *extremely* difficult not to be outright rude to you.

I have told you--more than once--that I'm tired of talking about the subject, and you kept coming back and posting long lectures to me.

I have also told you, more than once, that how you and I or anyone else feels about the subject, does not change the objective idea of whether or not there is a god. You keep trying to mix those two things up. They're separate discussions.

[jenhowell.livejournal.com]

April - we can have this discussion in person, on the phone, or over e-mail, though I prefer the first two. But I don't think it's productive on here anymore, and if I had realized you were this angry I would have abandoned it long ago. I'm sorry I've upset you and I would be happy to talk to you about it. But not here.

[aprilstarchild.livejournal.com]

I seriously never want to discuss this, ever again.

Also, please please stop lecturing people on their own journals. You're doing it to Cliff. I hope he deals with it better than I do.